S8 Ep500: Josh Rogin examines whether the US-China rivalry is a new Cold War and how the CCP enforces its political agenda on American companies like the NBA through exported censorship. 5
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🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 11 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor. |
| 0:10.7 | This is the John Bachelor show. |
| 0:12.0 | Josh Rogan, the Washington Post Global Opinions columnist is also author Josh Rogan of his new book, Chaos Under Heaven. |
| 0:19.5 | Trump, she, and the Battle for the 21st Century. |
| 0:23.1 | 2017 is the two opponents, the United States and China, deciding how they're going to go forward |
| 0:31.1 | between the hawks, the super hawks, Wall Street, those who won a diplomatic solution to what |
| 0:36.7 | appears to be a trade imbalance to the new |
| 0:39.3 | President, President Trump. |
| 0:41.1 | 2018, there are definitions that are necessary. |
| 0:45.0 | What is a economic war? |
| 0:46.7 | What is a tech war? |
| 0:47.8 | What is national security? |
| 0:49.5 | The principles are moving around. |
| 0:51.3 | There are no clear lines, as we learn, from Josh's chronology of 17 and 18. |
| 0:56.1 | It is now early 2019. The relationship is breaking down and there's a search for metaphors. |
| 1:03.7 | Recall that there's always a search for the right thing. This from a quote that Josh uses, |
| 1:09.8 | thanks to Matt Pottinger in his book, |
| 1:11.6 | if names cannot be correct, then language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things. |
| 1:16.7 | And if language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things, then affairs cannot be carried |
| 1:21.7 | on to success. |
| 1:22.6 | The affairs between China and the United States are not clear at this point until you name the thing |
| 1:30.4 | itself. Josh, is this a Cold War? Is that helpful in the year 2019 to think of it as a Cold War |
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