meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The John Batchelor Show

S8 Ep494: 7. Bunker 7: NSC-68 and the Massive Military Buildup. In response to the Soviet atomic test, Paul Nitze authored NSC-68, a top-secret document advocating for a massive tripling of the United States’ defense budget. Guest: Nick Bunker.

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

News, Arts, Books, Society & Culture

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 22 February 2026

⏱️ 12 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

7. Bunker 7: NSC-68 and the Massive Military Buildup. In response to the Soviet atomic test, Paul Nitze authored NSC-68, a top-secret document advocating for a massive tripling of the United States’ defense budget. Guest: Nick Bunker.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

This is CBS I in the World. I'm John Batchel. I'm with Nick Bunker, the historian. His new book

0:09.8

is in the shadow of fear, America and the World in 1950. There are future players present on the scene.

0:20.1

We've mentioned Eisenhower, who will be elected in 1952 and take

0:24.5

office in 1953. The governor of Illinois is important here, Adley Stevenson, who's seen as a

0:32.7

moderate Democrat, a man who is part of the middle way that Professor named Schlesinger identifies as the

0:40.6

success that America needs to find, a middle way, not the right, not the left. There's William

0:46.4

F. Buckley, a young man just leaving Yale, who's been stifled momentarily by the leadership at

0:52.9

Yale for giving a speech that if you

0:55.8

read it today, you find it very, very even tempered. But in those days, it would have been

1:01.0

understood as God and man at Yale is the book that comes from it. But we need to concentrate on a man

1:09.0

who doesn't get a great deal of credit given that his genius

1:13.0

is still with us. Paul Nitsa, who was tasked with constructing NSC 68. Nick, who was Paul Nitsa and

1:21.9

what was NSC 68 to his understanding? Thank you. Well, Paul Nitz, he was a former investment banker. He'd been

1:29.1

an investment banker at the 1930s, and then he'd gone into interwar service in Washington,

1:33.8

where he was very involved in planning of logistics. And by 1950, he was the head of policy

1:41.2

and planning at the State Department. He'd taken over from his predecessor, the very famous Sir George Kennan. And the two of them conducted a kind of debate about foreign policy

1:49.0

for the next 30 or 40 years. Now, Paul Nisi, as head of the Policy and Planning Department

1:54.0

of the State Department, had the job of creating a strategic document, which came to known as NS668.

2:18.2

It was, NIC was the principal author of that document, but it was also something that he worked on in conjunction with Dean Atchison. So really, it was kind of a joint document between Nitsy and Dean Atchison. Now, it was marked top secret, but I like a lot of things in Washington, although it was marked Top Secret. In fact, there were people outside the stadium,

2:24.4

at the time and outside the Pentagon who had some inkling that there was some big rethinking going on inside those two buildings.

2:27.5

Now, the core of NSC 68 was this.

2:31.7

Now, it really flowed, first of all, from something else to which we haven't mentioned,

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from John Batchelor, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of John Batchelor and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.