S8 Ep413: Guest: Gregory Copley. Copley observes Russia targeting Ukrainian infrastructure to pressure the public, noting that despite Western support, Moscow retains the upper hand while demanding territorial concessions.
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🗓️ 3 February 2026
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Guest: Gregory Copley. Copley observes Russia targeting Ukrainian infrastructure to pressure the public, noting that despite Western support, Moscow retains the upper hand while demanding territorial concessions.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batch with my colleague and friend Gregory Copp of Defense and Foreign Affairs. |
| 0:20.5 | The Reuters headline, Russia pounds Ukrainian energy facilities before peace talk. |
| 0:26.0 | The capital, Keefe, and Ukraine's second biggest city, Karkiv, are said to be in the Russian target zone. |
| 0:34.3 | What is puzzling about this is that we were told last week by the President of the United States during before a cabinet meeting that he had an agreement with Putin, the Kremlin, Moscow for a ceasefire over firing barrages at the infrastructure, the heat and light for large cities, including |
| 0:55.1 | Keefe and Kharkiv. |
| 0:56.5 | That is not the case. |
| 0:58.5 | The Reuters headline says we're going to put freezing temperatures and darkness on the |
| 1:03.2 | Ukrainian people, not the soldiers, the people, before we talk peace. |
| 1:10.2 | Gregory, the information I've had this last week is discouraging. |
| 1:14.5 | For example, the 28 or 24 or 20 point plan that's been ballied about by Whitkoff for weeks now |
| 1:22.1 | comes down to this. Russia demands the part of the Donbass that does not now possess militarily. |
| 1:29.3 | Russia demands that there be no guaranteeing peacekeeping force in Ukraine after the end of |
| 1:36.8 | hostilities. |
| 1:37.8 | Russia demands that it continues to control Zaporizia, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe and necessary to heat |
| 1:46.9 | and power the Donbass that Russia demands. All of these demands have not changed at all since |
| 1:53.8 | 2022 and are not indicating they're going to change. So what is this round of peace talks, but more, what do they |
| 2:04.5 | call it, a talk fest? Thank you. Well, I think what the Russians have discovered is that the |
| 2:12.6 | troops, which, the Ukrainian troops, which are tied down on the front with the Russians aren't going to be the |
| 2:21.3 | decisive factor in forcing any change from President Zelensky. The only force which is going to do |
| 2:30.2 | that is putting pressure on the government itself, and that comes from the distress |
| 2:35.6 | in the public sector. |
| 2:38.3 | And that's what they're doing right now. |
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