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S8 Ep376: Ernesto Araujo and Alejandro Pena Esclusa analyze Venezuela's posture of public defiance while remaining privately obedient to the Trump administration. The segment explores the contradictions in Caracas's diplomatic stance, suggesting the regime's theatr

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Ernesto Araujo and Alejandro Pena Esclusa analyze Venezuela's posture of public defiance while remaining privately obedient to the Trump administration. The segment explores the contradictions in Caracas's diplomatic stance, suggesting the regime's theatrical resistance masks behind-the-scenes accommodations driven by economic pressure and political survival calculations.

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0:00.0

I'm John Baxter. I'm joining of my good colleagues. Ernesto Arusha, former foreign minister of the

0:22.4

Republic of Brazil. He's traveling. He's in Africa. And Alej Pinia Excluza, a writer and speaker

0:29.3

and geopolitical expert for Venezuela, for the elected government of Mr. Gonzalez,

0:36.3

and for Maria Karina Machado, the leader of the opposition, we're watching a Venezuela that has been under the wing of the Trump administration these last weeks, we're told.

0:51.5

But there's new information.

0:52.9

So, gentlemen, I read from the Bloomberg report within the last hours and ask your comment.

0:59.3

Acting President Delci Rodriguez, this is the sister of Jorge Rodriguez, the head of the National

1:07.2

Assembly.

1:07.8

So the Rodriguez is their very powerful political actors.

1:11.7

Acting President Delci Rodriguez said Venezuela, quote, has had enough of U.S. interference.

1:17.5

She said that hours ago. The quote, enough of Washington's orders to Venezuela politicians.

1:23.9

Let Venezuela politics resolve our differences in conflicts.

1:34.3

The Bloomberg reminds us, Rodriguez and her brother Jorge Rodriguez, the President of the National Assembly, stepped up their rhetoric over the weekend as the government faces pushback from

1:39.8

public sectors and leftist parties against a proposed overhaul of the oil industry.

1:47.8

Alejandro, I am amazed that the Rodriguez has decided to defy the Trump administration.

1:55.6

What is your thinking about what they're up to?

1:58.5

Who's driving this?

1:59.6

Good evening to you.

2:02.5

Good evening. Thank you for the invitation, John. Well, regarding what Delci Rodriguez is saying, it's only words.

2:09.6

It's a theater. She knows that she has to comply with the United States because if not,

2:16.1

she might follow the same path of Nicolas Maduro.

2:19.9

But she's in a very difficult situation.

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