I'm John Batch for a conversation with colleague Mark Simon, long-time director and work at the Apple Daily now shut down in Hong Kong.

Jimmy Lye's paper. Mark reflects on what happened with China when it started with Nixon and Kissinger's visit in February of 1972.

Where did it go wrong? When did it of 1972. Where did it go wrong?

When did it go wrong?

Why did it go wrong?

Mark here is comprehensive in his doubts.

Much more of this tonight.

I think we have to review everything that we look at.

I think one of the things, even with everyone right now, China has never really

worked for us. It really hasn't. We haven't sold them as much as we could have. We probably

have sold them the same amount of them. There are a lot of them that we'd have sold the

agricultural goods. They flooded our markets. Yeah, we've got cheap stuff at Walmart, but so what. It has not

really worked out for the United States. And that goes back to the guys that made the initial

mistakes, which would be Kissinger and Nixon and then Skokrop. But I have to tell you,

and sometimes there's great mistakes that are made,

and so Kissinger and Nixon, they made a mistake.

I wish they'd have acknowledged it, but they messed up.

But Skokroft and George H. Bush,

they knew there was blood on the streets.

They made, first of all, a moral mistake,

and then they made a grand

strategic mistake. And that mistake was that China couldn't be changed. And the fact of the

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