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S8 Ep372: Brett Forrest recounts receiving a tip about a missing American FBI source in Russia. He investigates, visiting Riley's parents in Michigan to review Billy's WhatsApp travel logs. Forrest details Billy's journey to Rostov-on-Don near the Ukrainian war zon

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Brett Forrest recounts receiving a tip about a missing American FBI source in Russia. He investigates, visiting Riley'sparents in Michigan to review Billy's WhatsApp travel logs. Forrest details Billy's journey to Rostov-on-Don near the Ukrainian war zone and his sudden, final communication with his parents in June 2015.
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0:00.0

This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchel with the distinguished correspondent for the Wall

0:09.7

Street Journal, Brett Forrest, who has a new book that tells a story of many years, Lost Sun,

0:16.1

an American family trapped inside the FBI's secret wars. In May of 2015, Billy gets on the aircraft,

0:24.3

continues on his way to Moscow. In December of 17, Brett is at the Washington offices of the

0:31.4

Wall Street Journal, and he gets a call from Bob Forsman. What is the nature of the call and what do you

0:37.2

do about it, Brad? Thank you.

0:39.0

Certainly, John. So Bob, I've known for a little while. He is an American guy who had been

0:45.6

living and working in Russia and Ukraine since the 90s, working in the financial sector.

0:51.5

And he had developed a lot of very interesting and valuable relationships in business,

0:57.5

obviously, but also in power structure in both countries and in the Russian Orthodox Church.

1:04.8

Bob's a very religious guy. And he and I had been meeting talking about various events in Eastern Europe for, you know, off and on for a little while, until one day he told me we were sitting at a cafe outside the ice skating rick at Rockefeller Center.

1:23.2

And he told me that he had something that he wanted to give me, but it wasn't quite the right time. As you can imagine, as a journalist, as a reporter, every time you hear something like that, he said, well, you know, I need to know what is it? It's, uh, anyhow, eventually, some weeks later, I was sitting at the, uh, at my desk in, in the Washington Bureau of the journal. And Bob called. And he said,

1:45.6

now is the time I'm ready to tell you. And this is what he told me. He knew very little of the

1:49.0

Riley case, but he said there was a young man from Michigan who had worked for the FBI for a number

1:54.0

of years and counterterrorism and had traveled to Russia and disappeared there. And shortly after

1:59.6

his disappearance, uh, Billy's FBI handlers visited the family's house,

2:04.9

the Riley's house outside of Detroit, professed ignorance of Billy's trip to Russia and began

2:11.2

confiscating devices from the family and eventually shut the Riley's out.

2:15.8

That's all Bob really knew.

2:18.6

And I knew instantly that there was a story here of great depth, something that could be worth

2:28.3

putting real effort and time into to try and unravel.

2:32.4

You get on your way to Michigan, which you know because you went to school there.

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