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S8 Ep372: Brett Forrest explores grim theories regarding Billy's fate with a Russian contact. Later, at a Department of Justice event, he confronts high-ranking FBI official Paul Abbate. Abbate admits immediate knowledge of the unpublished Riley case, confirming t

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Brett Forrest
explores grim theories regarding Billy's fate with a Russian contact. Later, at a Department of Justiceevent, he confronts high-ranking FBI official Paul Abbate. Abbate admits immediate knowledge of the unpublished Riley case, confirming the bureau's deep awareness of their missing Confidential Human Source.
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0:00.0

This is CBSI in the world.

0:06.4

I'm John Batchel with the Walsley Journal correspondent Brett Forrest.

0:09.5

His new book is Lost Sun, an American family trapped inside the FBI's secret wars.

0:15.2

It is now the summer of 2018.

0:17.5

Brett is in Rustoff-Undon.

0:19.9

He's meeting with a woman named Nastya, Anastasia, Mikhailovskaya,

0:27.4

and they're talking about where did Billy go. Brett, at this point, you've been told by more

0:32.8

than one Russian, well-meaning Russian, he's disappeared into Russia, or you'll find him someday, or he'll

0:40.0

come home. There's even the possibility that he's gone to the Far East to meet up with one of

0:44.2

his contacts from those years of surfing for the FBI. But Mikhailovska has another fate for, or at least

0:51.0

because she's a good mystery writer, she has another idea of fate.

0:55.2

What is it?

0:56.1

Nasty and I were sitting on a veranda that sort of jutted out into the Don River one summer afternoon that year.

1:04.9

We were at a hotel that was sort of Cossack style hotel.

1:10.3

They were large iron cannons that still

1:14.4

worked that were at the hotel and the staff were sort of cossack tunics very interesting

1:21.7

place you felt you felt the intrigue there especially because rostan, at that point, especially was the sort of the staging point for all of Russia's military activities in the Ukrainian East.

1:35.4

So Nostia and I were sitting there and I asked her what she thought had happened to Billy.

1:42.3

And she said, very bluntly, she said, well, they would have taken him into custody, tortured him for information, and then thrown his body somewhere in a lake in LNR or DNR, one of the so-called republics in eastern Ukraine.

1:59.5

And that was it.

2:00.2

It was one quick sentence. She didn't think

2:02.1

twice. And it made me think. And that no one else has come up with remarks. In fact, they're

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