I'm John Bachelor with my colleagues, Bill Rajo and Ahmed Sharrari, and we're watching the chaos that is Syria be explained as a consolidation of authority around the central government led by Alshara.

Recently, I've learned that the foreign minister of Turkey will be invited to the Board of Peace in Gaza.

The foreign minister of Turkey is the former head of MIT.

That's not the college.

That's the security forces of Turkey.

And I've learned, Bill, that it is okay for me now to say that MIT was the sponsor and

recruiter for ISIS in the bad years, 14 to 20.

And MIT has a very strong voice in the Ashara government.

Is all that accurate, Bill?

Yeah, look, I can't prove this, but that's my impression.

Given what I witnessed how easily jihadists from both al-Qaeda and the Islamic State were able to enter Syria, how it was basically a revolving door, how the MIT, how the Turks backed Shara again while he was al-Qaeda's, the leader of Al-Qaeda's branch in Syria.

I think that's a perfectly acceptable way to put it.

I'd have no surprise.

To me, they just look like the Turkish version of Pakistan's inter-services intelligence directorate,

which played the very same game against

the U.S. and Afghanistan. And Ahmed, your measure of this, is MIT not the distant past,

but right now, have a strong voice in Al-Shara's government? Absolutely. I mean, Turkey as a whole has a strong voice in Sharra's government.

And the relationship between Hakkan Fidhan, who is now the current foreign minister,

with Shara and with Shara's foreign minister Ashad al-Shibani,

resembles this very strong relationship.

Again, within the Syrian armed forces, there are factions that are loyal to Turkey and receive funding from Turkey.

And basically, this conflict with the SDF, there is a Syrian interest in it, but there's also a Turkish interest in it.

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