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S8 Ep354: SEGMENT 4: MAGA EMBRACES BIG GOVERNMENT LIKE NEW DEALERS Guest: Veronique de Rugy De Rugy argues MAGA policies mirror New Deal-era big government activism through state industrial policy and massive spending programs. Traditional Republican principles of

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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SEGMENT 4: MAGA EMBRACES BIG GOVERNMENT LIKE NEW DEALERS Guest: Veronique de Rugy De Rugy argues MAGA policies mirror New Deal-era big government activism through state industrial policy and massive spending programs. Traditional Republican principles of limited government appear obsolete or abandoned, with the RINO label now applied to anyone advocating fiscal restraint or free market economics.
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0:00.0

I'm John Baxter. I welcome my good colleague, Veronique de Riggi of the Mercatus Center,

0:20.2

George Mason University, writing in her creator's column most recently of two terms of art that need translation.

0:28.8

Rhino, R-I-N-O, several years ago was very popular. I haven't heard it much recently.

0:35.0

Maga, we know what that is, but we'll say make America great again, is a thing

0:40.3

now. It's a group. Maga. And then Verenaic comes to a new word to me, depublicans. There's apparently

0:48.6

a confusion of who is and who is not and how to be a Republican Republican. Veronique, a very good evening to you.

0:55.8

The rhinos.

0:56.9

That used to be thrown around rather freely at everybody who wasn't on board of whatever was happening at the time.

1:04.5

Rino isn't much used anymore.

1:06.1

Maga believes everybody is not on the right trail.

1:09.7

What is Rhino today?

1:11.6

Are they extinct?

1:12.9

Do they still exist?

1:13.8

Good evening, too.

1:15.3

Good evening, John.

1:16.4

So when I came to understand what Vino meant, at the time it meant Republicans who were

1:23.8

Republicans in name only.

1:26.5

In that it meant that basically they talked about believing in small government and free market,

1:31.9

and instead they were basically pro big government, they were pro big spending,

1:36.4

they were, you know, they were doing a lot of very status things.

1:40.0

In the last 10 years, Rhino has shifted to me and someone who's not MAGA.

1:44.7

And in particular, people who actually believe in markets, people who believe in small government.

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