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S8 Ep276: FORGERIES, THE MAINE PENNY, AND ALT-RIGHT APPROPRIATION Colleague Martyn Whittock. Whittock dismisses American rune stones like the Kensington Stone as 19th-century forgeries made to claim land rights, though he accepts the "Maine Penny" as genuine eviden

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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FORGERIES, THE MAINE PENNY, AND ALT-RIGHT APPROPRIATION Colleague Martyn Whittock. Whittock dismisses American rune stones like the Kensington Stone as 19th-century forgeries made to claim land rights, though he accepts the "Maine Penny" as genuine evidence of trade. He concludes by warning against the modern "alt-right" appropriating Viking history to justify racial prejudice and white supremacy narratives. NUMBER 4


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I'm John Batchel with Martin Whittick. The book is American Vikings. We have L'Anse-en-Madow. That's established. You can visit it. There are remains of the camp. We have very little else that stands up, however. But there's been a lot of effort over the last few centuries. Martin, I enjoy these episodes because I'd always heard there were other places that the Vikings

0:26.2

traveled to.

0:27.4

We're looking for them.

0:28.4

I understand.

0:29.8

There continue to be, however, ruin carvings in rocks, Minnesota, Nova Scotia, Maine, and on.

0:40.3

I believe there's one as far south as Massachusetts.

0:46.0

Oh, there's one in Rhode Island.

0:48.0

What do we know about these carvings, these ruins,

0:50.7

and what they claim to be?

0:53.4

From the 18th century onward, there's an increasing interest in the North

0:57.0

sagas, particularly in the 1830s, where the sagas are translated into English and appear in America,

1:02.0

in the USA, the new state of the USA. A lot of interest. There's a pushback at this time

1:07.0

against the origin history linked to Christopher Columbus, who of course never made it

1:11.8

to North America anyway. And increasingly, people become interested in the USA, in the possibility

1:18.4

of the sagas. This is before archaeological evidence, you understand. There's a movement of Scandinavians

1:24.6

into the Midwest, particularly after the Civil War ends in 1865,

1:29.6

and we start to find runestones being discovered. The most famous one being Kensington in Minnesota,

1:35.0

but others turn up, as you say, we've got them from Maine, we've got them from Oklahoma,

1:40.0

we've got them from West Virginia, we've got it from a number of places. It's quite astonishing.

1:45.0

But the most famous one is the Kensington Roonstone.

1:47.0

And there are things about these runestones that make us almost certain that these are fakes, that they are forgeries.

1:54.0

And what they seem to be is, they seem to be designed to prove prior title to the land.

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