S8 Ep270: THE BLIP AND THE FUTURE Colleague Keach Hagey, The Optimist. The viral success of ChatGPT shifted OpenAI's focus from safety to commercialization, despite early internal warnings about the existential risks of AGI. Tensions over safety and Altman's manage

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THE BLIP AND THE FUTURE Colleague Keach Hagey, The Optimist. The viral success of ChatGPT shifted OpenAI's focus from safety to commercialization, despite early internal warnings about the existential risks of AGI. Tensions over safety and Altman's management style led to a "blip" where the nonprofit board fired him, only for him to be quickly reinstated due to employee loyalty. Elon Musk, having lost a power struggle for control of the organization, severed ties, leaving Altman to lead the race toward AGI. NUMBER 16
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0:00.0	I'm John Batchel with Keech Hakey, the author of the new book, The Optimist, Sam Haltman, Open AI, and the Race to Invent the Future.
0:08.0	You want to know where Chat GPD comes. It comes from conversations between people who live in California now and again.
0:14.9	One of them is Sam Altman. However, we've seen the formation of OpenChat GPT.
0:21.3	Is GPT 1? No, there's a 2.0, then there's a 3, then there's a 3 and a half.
0:28.0	And Sam has an eye for commercial success.
0:31.5	They're monetizing very quickly.
0:33.6	Though they are a lab, and that is an important distinction here, because there are unhappy voices around Sam saying that we don't have any control of this.
0:46.8	We don't want to go where it can get dangerous.
0:50.5	Jeff Hinton is one of those, University of Toronto, visionary about the ability of
0:59.5	artificial intelligence and his colleagues.
1:02.1	What does Sam make of those warning voices, Keach?
1:05.9	Well, it depends on when you ask him.
1:08.3	So early on, Sam brought forward those same warnings. After
1:13.0	ChatGPT launched and became viral, Sam was the one going around saying, you know, this
1:18.4	is wonderful, but if it goes wrong, I could go very wrong. He testified before Congress
1:22.5	saying we should regulate this because there are possibilities that if we don't align this properly, it could, he doesn't
1:29.8	say this. Basically, the implication is he could kill us all. So he was a purveyor of this in the early
1:34.6	days, but as time went on, you know, his focus became more commercial and he's definitely
1:40.1	much less excited about regulation today. The blip is a disagreement between Sam and the board, between where Sam is the head of OpenChat,
1:49.5	GPT, a lab, non-proff, and Sam is also still interested in his skill at YC, or forming companies
1:59.4	that are visionary, housing companies, companies to do with nuclear energy.
2:05.1	And I can't entirely unpack the confrontation, but it comes to Sam being fired by his board
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