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S8 Ep267: THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE ANTHROPOCENE AND THE INEVITABILITY OF CLIMATE MIGRATION Colleague Gaia Vince. John Batchelor and Gaia Vince discuss her book, Nomad Century, which argues that climate migration is already underway and inevitable. Vince illustrates

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John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE ANTHROPOCENE AND THE INEVITABILITY OF CLIMATE MIGRATION Colleague Gaia Vince. John Batchelor and Gaia Vince discuss her book, Nomad Century, which argues that climate migration is already underway and inevitable. Vince illustrates this reality through Abel Cruz, a Peruvian farmer forced to migrate to a slum in Lima after drought destroyed his livelihood. She describes the forces driving this movement as the "four horsemen of the Anthropocene": fire, heat, flood, and drought. As the tropics become increasingly dangerous, Vince explains that populations from the Global South will necessarily move toward the Global North, where land is more abundant and nations are wealthier and better able to adapt. NUMBER 1
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0:00.0

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0:05.0

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0:20.0

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0:23.3

With Pluralsight, I don't fear what's next.

0:24.9

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0:28.3

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0:38.1

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:40.1

Here's John Batchelor.

0:44.1

Nomad Century, the new book from Gaia Vince,

0:48.4

how climate migration will reshape our world.

0:50.9

Here in the 21st century,

0:56.2

we're looking at some very towering statistics that warn that what we accept as a climate today is not the climate of the near future, 2050 and 2100.

1:03.5

And Gaia Vince's book, for which I congratulate her, takes us into the future with an extremely

1:09.6

happy twist of the technology and the will of the

1:14.9

people of the earth. I begin, however, with reports from the most recent meeting people worrying

1:20.8

about climate change to read to characterize what work Guy has done for us to imagine the future. One such executive from the Center for

1:32.3

Science and Environment in New Delhi, attending COP 27 in Cairo, Egypt said, the negotiations that are

1:40.5

happening are completely devoid of reality. Another critic of the conditions of the

1:47.8

world meeting, 45,000 people coming together to discuss between Cairo and Charmel Sheikh,

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