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S8 Ep264: THE REASSERTION OF ANCIENT EMPIRES Colleague Gregory Copley. Copley contends that China is reasserting its identity as an empire, with the Communist Party seeking legitimacy by connecting with imperial history despite previous rejections of the past. Simi

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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THE REASSERTION OF ANCIENT EMPIRES Colleague Gregory Copley. Copley contends that China is reasserting its identity as an empire, with the Communist Party seeking legitimacy by connecting with imperial history despite previous rejections of the past. Similarly, he views Vladimir Putin as a nationalist attempting to restore the memory and grandeur of the Russian Empire. The segment concludes by suggesting the US might "lease" the symbolic nobility of King Charles III during state visits to borrow necessary leadership prestige. NUMBER 16
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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchler. I'm speaking with my colleague and friend Gregory Copley. His new book is The Noble State. Governance options in Nignoble era. Republicanism peak. 250 years. That's about where the U.S. is, depending on when you start us, 83, 76, 91.

0:57.4

However, the empire, that's available to the U.S.

1:01.6

We pretend we don't have one.

1:03.5

We do.

1:04.5

We do not have an emperor.

1:06.2

But that's too close to us.

1:08.3

Let's go to China.

1:10.4

Gregory, the sons of the revolutionaries, the princes,

1:16.8

they are imbued with the nobility we've been talking about because they are said to be related

1:22.8

to families that suffered through the revolution. Xi Jinping right now is one of them.

1:31.9

Is China on its way to becoming an empire right now?

1:39.0

I think it is very much on the way to reasserting its identity as that of an empire.

1:40.8

China is an empire. It's a composite nation state which embodies captured lands. And this is why the borders of

1:48.0

China have changed constantly over the last two and a half, three thousand years. So yes, it's a,

1:56.6

it is an empire. The United States is an empire. It is basically conquered lands successfully, bringing in native lands and also by just, if you like,

2:08.2

federalizing the individual modern states, the 50 modern states.

2:13.5

It's an empire.

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