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S8 Ep264: PLATO'S FAILED FIRST MISSION TO SICILY Colleague Professor James Romm. Professor Romm details Plato's background, including his connection to the Thirty Tyrants in Athens and his philosophy of "forms." Plato was invited to Syracuse by Dion, who hoped the

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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PLATO'S FAILED FIRST MISSION TO SICILY Colleague Professor James Romm. Professor Romm details Plato's background, including his connection to the Thirty Tyrants in Athens and his philosophy of "forms." Plato was invited to Syracuse by Dion, who hoped the philosopher could reform the tyrant Dionysius the Elder. However, this first visit was a disaster; Plato attempted to lecture the ruler on ethics and moral behavior, resulting in the philosopher being dismissed from the court with dishonor. NUMBER 6
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I'm John Batchel with Professor James Rom. The new book is Plato and the Tyrant.

0:39.1

Plato, born approximately 428 BC, died 347.

0:44.9

He is a player in this after spending a life in pursuit of education.

0:50.1

He was also in a war, the Corinthian War.

0:54.4

But it's important to establish that his roots included a relative, a cousin named Critias, who was one of the 30 tyrants.

1:03.0

Who were they, and how did they inform Plato?

1:07.6

The 30 tyrants came to power in Athens in the wake of the city's defeat in the Peloponnesian War.

1:16.8

And the Spartans, who were the victors, basically engineered their appointment.

1:22.5

They were Athenian themselves, but backed by Spartan power and sympathetic to Spartan interests.

1:30.0

There were 30 men.

1:32.7

They were supposed to appoint a much broader oligarchy, but instead held on to power and used it to eliminate their opponents, often executing or banishing democratic insurgents, and conducting

1:47.2

basically a reign of terror for the better part of a year before they were overthrown by a resurgent

1:54.4

democracy.

1:55.5

And one of their victims was Socrates.

1:57.8

How did that happen?

1:59.6

Well, not quite their victim, but a victim of the restored democracy because of Socrates'

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