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S8 Ep251: Guests: Captain James Fanell (USN Ret.) and Bradley Thayer. The authors draw parallels between current U.S. policy and the British Empire's 1919 "10-year rule," which underfunded defense and ignored rising threats. They criticize the U.S. response to the

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Guests: Captain James Fanell (USN Ret.) and Bradley Thayer. The authors draw parallels between current U.S.policy and the British Empire's 1919 "10-year rule," which underfunded defense and ignored rising threats. They criticize the U.S. response to the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, noting that the Bush administration rushed to re-engage rather than isolate the CCP. Fanell recalls that intelligence agencies remained focused on Russia, failing to perceive the Chinese military buildup as a credible threat until it was too late.

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I'm John Bachelor with Jim Fennell and Brad Thayer.

0:39.1

Their new book is Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure,

0:44.1

while the PLA Navy is demonstrating its threat against the ally, Taiwan,

0:49.5

and the whole of Western Pacific threatened by the PLA Navy, including our allies in Japan and the Philippines and Australia,

0:58.7

we look to 1919, as Jim and Brad have identified, as a moment when the British Empire lost the Second World War.

1:07.6

Why? Because Germany was in ruins, nothing to worry about. In fact, let us help them as

1:15.1

best we can with our diplomats, but not too much. Let them sort it out. Let them use the

1:20.8

Weimar and the parliament and their own disorder with communism. And we can take confidence of the 10-year rule.

1:30.9

Jim, what was the 10-year rule that the British Empire employed in 1919 that led to the defeat

1:37.6

of 1940?

1:39.4

I'm going to let Brad answer that one.

1:41.6

Well, I'm happy to, Jim, the 10-year rule was put in place by defense planners in the United

1:49.8

Kingdom.

1:51.2

And the idea was that for the next 10 years, there would not be a major conflict that would

1:57.6

involve the UK.

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