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S8 Ep246: TRANSLATING THE SOUND AND METER OF VIRGIL Colleagues Scott McGill and Susanna Wright. The translators explain choosing iambic pentameter over dactylic hexameter to provide an English cultural equivalent to the original's epic feel. They describe their eff

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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TRANSLATING THE SOUND AND METER OF VIRGIL Colleagues Scott McGill and Susanna Wright. The translators explain choosing iambic pentameter over dactylic hexameter to provide an English cultural equivalent to the original's epic feel. They describe their efforts to replicate Virgil's auditory effects, such as alliteration and assonance, and preserve specific line repetitions that connect characters like Turnus and Camilla. NUMBER 10
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0:00.0

Ramadan is a time to reflect, connect and experience the world more meaningfully.

0:07.0

In Abu Dhabi, Curiosity leads the way through adventure, wildlife and moments of wonder,

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culture, movement and well-being create lasting connections, while shared tables and rich flavors turn every meal into a story.

0:24.3

Travel deeper, travel richer.

0:27.4

Experience Abu Dhabi.

0:34.6

I'm John Batchel visiting with professors Scott McGill and Susanna Wright,

0:39.6

their new translation of the Aeneid by Virgil, written in the first century BCE, in Latin, with Greek in it,

0:49.8

is now in English, and therein lies the tale.

0:53.3

Susanna, I come to you, iambic pentameter, as opposed to dactylic hexameter.

0:59.6

What is the choice you must make, and what are the sacrifices, what are the gains?

1:04.5

Thank you.

1:05.7

Yes, thank you, John.

1:07.0

So, firstly, the major difference is the number of metrical units per line. So when we speak to

1:13.4

dactylic hexameter, the hexameter means we have six metrical feet. In iambic pentameter,

1:18.9

we have five metrical feet. And then the difference between dactylic and iambic speaks to the kind

1:24.6

of quality of those feet. So dactylic hexaminer is built around a unit called a dactyl that is long, short, short. Iambic pentameter is built around a unit that is essentially, we can think of it as short, long, although in English we're also working with a metrical system that is based on syllable stress rather than length.

1:44.9

Length was the operative kind of metrical factor in the ancient world.

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So dactylic hexameter is the standard meter of epic poetry in both Greek and Latin.

1:54.4

It's a meter that carried a lot of cultural weight and significance.

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For us, in English, there really isn't quite as much of a tradition of

2:02.5

poetry in Dactylic hexameter. We have lovely works like Longfellow's Evangelion, for instance,

2:07.1

but it hasn't really caught on the same way that iambic pentameter has. And the kind of cultural

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