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I'm John Batchel with James Tabor, his book The Lost Mary, Rediscovering the Mother of Jesus.

Mary's born in Sephirus.

Nazareth is nearby, and there is where Mary spends her life with Joseph, her husband,

who knows that he is not the father of the firstborn, Jesus, the father, the pursuit of the

father. It's not been walked away from. There's a lot of speculation, and the word Pantara is the key

to the speculation. James quickly, who was Pantara or what is the best assumption today about Pantara?

It's interesting that we just did Cephyrus because the name Pantara first comes up in Cephras

on the streets of Cephras where rabbis are walking around.

It's the early second century. So about 70, 80 years

after Jesus' death, they remember him. They call him Yeshua bin Pantera. Very odd. I'm giving

the English, not the Aramaic. So why would the rabbis who are living right there know him by a different name? Why not Jesus,

Son of Joseph? They know something. And what they know is something we have to unpack. In the book,

I call it Mary's Secret. So we're going to reveal the secret, not all of it, because we don't know

exactly what she thought. But let's put it together. secret, not all of it, because we don't know exactly what she thought.

But let's put it together.

Now, if I'm filling out Jesus's birth certificate, let's say, I'm a historian, you could say, no human father.

I don't accept that as history.

That's theology, it's mythology, and so forth.

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