This is John Batson speaking to the biblical archaeologist and historian James Tabor.

His new book, The Lost Mary, where it creates the life of Mary, Mother of Jesus.

Surprising details in all directions.

Text-based, archaeological evidence showing, logic, reasoning.

And herein the Father, the Father of Jesus of Nazareth.

The puzzle, Pandera.

James explains, not settled, but confoundingly fetching, compelling, Father of Jesus.

Lost Mary, much more tonight and tomorrow night.

So, Origin preserves that text for us, but other church fathers, particularly epithaneous, who's a little bit later, he says,

that's a family name. It's not a negative name. It's in Joseph's family. Now, Joseph could be

called of the Pantera tribe. So it could even be an individual in his ancestry, or it could have been one of the kids in the Joseph family, in the Mary family.

These families are probably related.

There could have been a young man named Pantera.

Then we have to go all the way to Germany.

And on the Rhine River, in a little town where the Neha meets the Rhine,

it's called Bingerbrook today, there is a Roman camp in a cemetery,

and in the 1850s when they were building a railroad,

they come across a tombstone monument.

This soldier was cremated. His name is Julius Abdes Pantara,

and he has Tiberius' name in there as well. It's in the book. I give it in Latin and English.

Details aren't important. He's a Roman soldier. He bears that name, but he's from Tyrant Sidon, which is just north of Jerusalem.

So we don't know if he's the father, but a possibility that I explore in the book is that he was captured by the Romans and pressed into the army, served 40 years, and ended up on the Rhine River.

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