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S8 Ep185: Baltic Defenses and NATO's Uncertain Resolve: Colleague Blaine Holt discusses the Baltics preparing defensive "Mino lines" and bunkers fearing a potential Russian attack, noting Baltic citizens feel trapped between NATO bureaucracy and Russian hybrid warf

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🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Baltic Defenses and NATO's Uncertain Resolve: Colleague Blaine Holt discusses the Baltics preparing defensive "Mino lines" and bunkers fearing a potential Russian attack, noting Baltic citizens feel trapped between NATO bureaucracy and Russian hybrid warfare while doubting NATO's resolve to intervene, arguing diplomatic solutions are necessary as Europe lacks resources for a cohesive defense.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.5

Here's John Batchelor.

0:12.1

This is CBSI on the world.

0:14.4

I'm John Batchel.

0:15.5

I welcome my good colleague, General Blaine Hold,

0:17.5

the United States Air Force, retired,

0:19.2

a veteran of NATO, and that is critical

0:22.5

going forward beyond NATO. We begin, however, with the membership right now, 32 member states,

0:29.2

no one is more critical than the Baltics. What are those? Three small states between the Soviet

0:36.2

threat once upon a time and retreat to Paris another time.

0:41.0

We're going to begin with revelations in Bloomberg newspapers momentarily of the Baltics preparing for the day after their attack.

0:52.1

What is to be done?

0:53.9

Blaine, a very good evening to you.

0:55.2

Last week we discussed a make-believe story called the Frusia wins,

0:59.4

in which a German national security expert, Carlo Masala,

1:03.8

entertained Russia triggering confusion among the enemy.

1:07.9

That would be NATO meeting at Article 4 in Brussels and deciding to ask Estonia not to invoke Article 5. Stand out. Now we're going to look at the real Baltics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and how they are preparing for that moment when they're attacked or under fear of attack.

1:29.6

They're talking about building something like the Magno Line, a 30-kilometer deep bunker.

1:35.0

You've been to these states.

1:36.7

What do they look like?

1:37.7

What are their advantages and disadvantages, presuming the Russians are coming?

1:42.0

Good evening to you.

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