S8 Ep183: The Strategic Failure of Abandoning Bagram for HKIA: Colleagues Jerry Dunleavy and James Hasson discuss the catastrophic decision to shutter Bagram Air Base, forcing an evacuation through an indefensible civilian airport in Kabul, describing the immediate
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🗓️ 13 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Baxter with Jared Dunleavy and James Hassan, whose new book I highly recommend. |
| 0:09.8 | It's a tough read, however. |
| 0:12.4 | When you see what could have been done, the untold story of Biden's fiasco, it's August 15, 2021. |
| 0:19.9 | Ghani, the president of the country, a man who has been kept in power by the U.S. and NATO for some time with full understanding of his responsibilities, |
| 0:31.1 | flees the country in a helicopter, and he now is in the Middle East, my understanding, and living out his life |
| 0:38.9 | explaining himself. That event, however, means that there is no leadership in Kabul, the police |
| 0:45.8 | chief, the generals, they all flee, grabbing helicopters from Hakea, the airport at the center |
| 0:51.9 | of the city, and fleeing. So, Jerry, I come to you at this point. |
| 0:56.5 | We begin a crisis at Hakea. |
| 0:59.9 | We need to describe that airfield. |
| 1:01.6 | Where was it? |
| 1:02.6 | And why was it a catastrophe to choose Hakea for an evacuation, Jerry? |
| 1:08.3 | Yeah. |
| 1:08.5 | So the acronym H-K-I-A, H-K-I-A, Hamid Karzai International Airport, often called H-K-K-K-A. This is an airport in the middle of Kabul, |
| 1:25.2 | and this is the place that the Biden administration had chosen to do its evacuation |
| 1:31.3 | from. |
| 1:32.1 | So we should have chosen Bogram, and the State Department, in fact, was warned even by the |
| 1:40.2 | command sergeant major at Bogram that to do a neo an evacuation through Kabul airport would be a |
| 1:49.0 | disaster that it should be done through Bogram. But because of President Biden's decisions, |
| 1:54.2 | we shudder Bogram. We have to do the evacuation through Kabul airport. Well, now when Ghani flees, the Afghan government collapses and the Taliban |
| 2:04.4 | walks into Kabul, now we have to do an evacuation through Kabul airport, but we have to do it |
| 2:10.4 | with the Taliban in charge and with reliance on the Taliban right outside the gates of H. Kaya. And so this we so and keep in mind |
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