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S8 Ep181: Critiquing Isolationism and the Risks of Disengagement: Colleague Henry Sokolski critiques isolationist arguments, comparing current sentiments to pre-WWII attitudes, warning against relying solely on missile defense bubbles and discussing the distinct th

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 13 December 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Critiquing Isolationism and the Risks of Disengagement: Colleague Henry Sokolski critiques isolationist arguments, comparing current sentiments to pre-WWII attitudes, warning against relying solely on missile defense bubbles and discussing the distinct threats posed by Russia and China, emphasizing that US disengagement could lead to global instability and unchecked nuclear proliferation.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.5

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.9

This is CBSI on the world.

0:14.3

I'm John Batchel.

0:15.4

I welcome my colleague, Henry Sikolsky,

0:17.4

the executive director of the Non-Proliferation Policy Education Center.

0:21.9

Henry and I, for years, we've been following the story of the dangers of nuclear weapons that cannot be contained

0:27.9

by any country that we know of ever invented. Nuclear weapons are not weapons. They are terror itself,

0:35.6

and it would disturb everything that we've built together in America

0:39.6

when and if a nuclear weapon is used again in anger in the 21st century.

0:45.8

However, the national security strategy has now been posted by the Trump administration

0:51.2

and Henry has remarks not only about nuclear weapons, but also

0:55.9

about the state of the world with regard to war that invariably escalates. We've seen that

1:00.7

in Ukraine repeatedly. Mr. Putin hauls out nuclear weapons every time there's a change in the

1:06.3

battlefront in Ukraine. Most recently, NATO has hauled out nuclear weapons to say we fear that Russia

1:13.0

will use them. I go to Henry's remarks because he begins his remarks measuring where we come from.

1:20.7

Henry, a very good evening to you. I read from your most recent document at national interest.

1:25.9

As for serving U.S. security interests by staying out of other

1:30.2

people's wars, it's an appealing argument. You then name those voices in the historical

1:36.1

20th century past who've recommended exactly what you say. It's none of our business. We've got two

1:42.6

oceans. We're secure. Let them take care of it.

1:46.0

It includes this list. Charles Lindbergh, the hero. Henry Ford, the inventor and manufacturer.

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