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S8 Ep179: PREVIEW — Mary Kissel — Missing Clarity on the "Condominium of Adversaries" in National Security Strategy. Kissel criticizes the newly published national security strategy for insufficiently highlighting the existential threat posed by China and its expan

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 2 minutes

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PREVIEWMary Kissel — Missing Clarity on the "Condominium of Adversaries" in National Security Strategy. Kissel criticizes the newly published national security strategy for insufficiently highlighting the existential threat posed by China and its expanding strategic alliance with Russia, Iran, and North Korea, creating a coordinated axis of rival powers. Kissel argues that the strategic document fails to adequately address China's systematic domestic infiltration of American infrastructure networks, university campuses, research institutions, and scientific communities, unlike the more explicit and detailed threat characterizations contained in previous national security strategy iterations. Kisselemphasizes that the document's relative ambiguity regarding the "condominium of adversaries" undermines clarity regarding the multi-vector threat environment confronting American strategic planners and military commanders.
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This is John Batchel, colleague Mary Kissel, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State,

0:07.0

has some questions about the new national security strategy, such as China is a major adversary,

0:13.9

and it gathers to it what Mary characterizes as a condominium of adversaries of the United States, North Korea, Iran, and especially

0:25.1

Russia. So therefore, the clarity is missing about China doing this, about China being a threat,

0:33.7

about China being a major threat in East Asia.

0:41.2

Many more questions to be answered going forward.

0:43.5

Here's Mary.

0:46.5

Well, Communist China has a very clear pattern.

0:52.1

If you appease them, they see you as weak and they do more bad things that we don't like.

0:53.2

And if there's one thing about this national security strategy

0:56.7

that did puzzle me is it seemed to imply that,

1:00.8

you know, we need to build up our economy

1:02.4

so we can build up our national defenses.

1:04.9

And that's true.

1:06.2

But as you point out, the threats that we face

1:08.9

aren't just bilateral.

1:10.5

We're facing a condominium of nations,

1:13.5

namely China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, who want to do us harm. And they're not really confined

1:19.6

to their own geographies. For instance, we've talked many times on this program about the threat

1:25.3

that China poses inside the United States,

1:28.4

burrowing into our critical infrastructure networks,

1:32.2

shutting down free speech on campuses,

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