S8 Ep179: PREVIEW — Jonathan Schanzer — "Darkness Visible": The Dangerous Power Vacuum and Rivalries in Syria. Schanzer characterizes contemporary Syria as chaotic "ungoverned territory" systematically attracting dangerous transnational actors including Hamas milit
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 9 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague Jonathan Shanzer of FD, just back from the Middle East, about Syria. |
| 0:08.4 | Mr. Trump shakes the hands of a man named Al-Shara, Muhammad bin Salman's Fetz, a man named Al-Shara. |
| 0:15.6 | It's about Syria. He's the self-named former Al-Qaeda chief now president of Syria, but I list a number of cutthroats that are gathering in Syria. |
| 0:26.4 | This is ungoverned territory, meaning it attracts the likes of Palestinian Islamic jihad, Hamas, the Russians, the Druze have a national militia now to guard them, the Alawites, |
| 0:40.1 | all manner of desperadoes. |
| 0:43.3 | And why are they lifting sanctions? |
| 0:47.5 | Jonathan explains. |
| 0:49.6 | But much to learn about Syria. |
| 0:52.5 | Right now, it was darkness visible. |
| 0:55.3 | It's still darkness visible. |
| 0:57.1 | More tonight. |
| 0:59.6 | They don't, but they're still trying to save Syria from itself. |
| 1:03.4 | And so we're watching the United States. |
| 1:05.6 | We've already removed sanctions against this regime, despite the fact that it is led by al-Qaeda or reformed |
| 1:14.1 | al-Qaeda, depending on your perspective. And I think it was probably too soon to do this, |
| 1:19.4 | but the administration would like to try to empower pragmatists. We're watching the Saudis and |
| 1:25.3 | the Emirates and some of the other pragmatic Middle East states trying to woo Al-Shara into their orbit. |
| 1:32.7 | But at the same time, John, we are watching the Turks and the Qataris. |
| 1:37.0 | Of course, these are the Muslim Brotherhood actors we just discussed. |
| 1:40.4 | They are trying to woo Al-Shaara as well. |
| 1:50.6 | And then you have all of these disparate actors inside the Syrian state that don't get along. |
| 1:59.1 | And here, of course, we're talking about the embattled Alawites, the former allies of Bashar al-Assad, who's now in exile in Russia. |
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