This is John Batchel, speaking with Professor Richard Epstein of Civitas Institute about a court case,

oral arguments these last days, Trump versus slaughter.

The question is the power of the president to fire or hire so-called independent boards.

Richard gives the background of this, dating from the early part of the

20th century, Woodrow Wilson's time in office, and moves through the relevant Supreme Court

cases, Humphrey's executor in 135, for example, right up to date about how the court is

looking one way or the other. To learn the details of this and why

Richard considers it, as he says, one of the most important cases ever decided by the Supreme

Court about presidential power, see tonight, here's Richard speculating on the final vote by the

court when and if it passes down its decision, which will unlikely

be soon.

Well, then again, the court does what it wishes.

I'm not on my schedule.

Here's Richard Epstein to explain how he thinks the vote might go, especially among the

conservative judges, the so-called six, on the bench right now.

Richard Epstein.

I think in this case, yes.

I mean, Kavanaugh is sometimes a little bit squishy because when he was on the lower court

and decided this issue, he said that when you're dealing with independent agencies,

a single person

agency would not pass the bug, but a panel would. And this is a panel. So he'd have to change his

position. He may bring along Barrett with him. So it's not 100% sure what is going to happen under these

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