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S8 Ep176: The DC Shooter, the Zero Units, and the Tragedy of the Afghan Withdrawal: Colleagues Husain Haqqani and Bill Roggio discuss recent violence in Washington, D.C. involving an Afghan immigrant that has drawn attention back to the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

The DC Shooter, the Zero Units, and the Tragedy of the Afghan Withdrawal: Colleagues Husain Haqqani and Bill Roggio discuss recent violence in Washington, D.C. involving an Afghan immigrant that has drawn attention back to the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021; the shooter, Ramanula Lakanal, was a member of the elite "Zero Units" of the Afghan National Army, a force that demanded priority evacuation for their families in exchange for providing security at the Kabul airport during the U.S. retreat, and while these units were stalwart allies against enemies like al-Qaeda and ISIS, they fought a "dirty war" and were accused of human rights violations, highlighting the broader failure of the withdrawal which occurred because political will faded across multiple administrations.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.8

This is CBS I on the world. I'm John Batchel. I welcome my two good colleagues,

0:16.8

Hussein of Connie, former ambassador from Pakistan to the United States, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute,

0:22.8

and Bill Rajo, senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracy.

0:27.8

The D.C. shooter, an Afghan immigrant, says the New York Times,

0:32.3

but there's much more to learn of this story than the shooter

0:36.7

and the tragedy of the death of the young National Guardswoman

0:41.3

who was standing her guard as deployed with a colleague, and around the corner came a man with a weapon and open fire.

0:51.9

And what is to understand about this story?

0:56.1

It's a tragedy in all directions.

0:58.9

And the man Ramanula is now in custody charged with first-degree murder, among other crimes.

1:06.7

Bill and Hussain and I recount quickly what I learned from the New York Times feature on this,

1:12.5

looking for a backstory of why he was there that day, Ramanula Laka Nawal,

1:19.0

and why he used a weapon against people he didn't know,

1:23.4

who were dressed in the uniform of the United States Army.

1:26.8

He was a member of the special services for the Afghan National Army.

1:34.0

They called them zero brigades or zero regiments.

1:37.5

I think he was zero seven.

1:39.7

And where I first learned about them was those last days at Kabul during the evacuation withdrawal in 2021.

1:49.1

I remember reading very carefully that the special forces of the Afghan National Army were demanding they be given priority for exiting the country and their families.

2:02.2

And unless they had that promise and certainty from the U.S. authorities,

2:07.5

they were not going to provide security at Cabo International Airport,

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