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This is John Batchel, a conversation with New York Times investigative reporter Ken Vogel,

his new book, Devils Advocates, about the

lobbying that goes on the Trump administration, the Biden administration, we can presume the Trump

administration again, by influence peddlers, sometimes related to the president himself,

such as the Biden, sometimes related to friends of the president.

But in any event, the Hunter Biden story is both obvious and knee-slapping at the naivete of people

who first heard about it.

Here's Ken Vogel to describe how Hunter Biden himself was amazed at the circles he was traveling with and why?

Well, there is that last name.

Here, Ken Vogel to explain much more of this tonight and tomorrow night, a two-hour interview

with Ken Vogel in New York Times.

Devil's Advocates, Rudy Giuliani, Hunter Biden, and all the rest of the gang making money,

influence peddling to foreign agents, especially foreign agents from unsavory sovereignties.

Much more.

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