S8 Ep173: he Caudine Forks and the Dangers of Half-Measures — Gaius & Germanicus — Germanicus and Gaius center their discussion on the instructive Roman historical lesson of the Caudine Forks: a victor must either completely annihilate the enemy or embrace them as
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| 0:00.0 | This is the Friendsfistry Debating Society. I'm Guyus with Germanicus and a small lesson from Rome |
| 0:10.4 | passed to the 21st century. There once upon a time was a condition where Rome was an absolute pastor of the |
| 0:19.6 | Mediterranean basin. This is before absolute pastor of the Mediterranean basin. |
| 0:21.6 | This is before the conquest of Carthage. |
| 0:23.6 | This is even before the Roman legions were always successful. |
| 0:28.6 | There were times they were defeated and pushed back by the tribes of the Italian peninsula. |
| 0:36.6 | And I think it was during the Samnacht War. |
| 0:39.1 | I haven't checked which one. |
| 0:41.4 | There was a battle loss by the Roman legions. |
| 0:44.9 | They lost the battle. |
| 0:46.6 | And the victor, one of the warlords, went to his father and said, |
| 0:52.9 | what shall I do with them? |
| 0:56.2 | Shall I make them our ally or shall I kill them all? And the father said, those are your good choices. Bad choice |
| 1:03.5 | would be to make them obey you and make promises to you, because that will lend badly. |
| 1:11.4 | Well, the way it turned out, oddly, was the son decided to apply the third method, |
| 1:18.7 | to make them friends by showing mercy. |
| 1:22.7 | What a mistake that was, because the Romans rebuilt their army and came back and obliterated the son, |
| 1:30.2 | the father, the village, everything, so much so that it's not even a distinct memory. |
| 1:35.0 | And I've been over it many times. |
| 1:37.3 | That's the Roman lesson. |
| 1:39.7 | And Germanicus, I just mentioned it quickly because it's shocking how many times America has not got that lessons correctly, that it tries to find a third way. |
| 1:51.2 | Why? Do we know what's in the American spirit? Is this liberty thing? Is that what corrupts them? |
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