S8 Ep122: Ukraine Peace Plans, Concessions, and the Impact on US Alliances — Bill Roggio, Husain Haqqani — Bill Roggiosuggests Ukraine is losing militarily and must accept difficult territorial and military concessions to ensure state survival, predicting that prop
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 10 minutes
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1855 CRIMEAN WAR, SCOTS FUSILIER GUARDS
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:12.0 | This is CBS, I on the World. I'm John Batchel. I'm joined by my colleague and friend Bill |
| 0:17.2 | Raggio, the Foundation for Defensive Democracies, keeps the Long World Journal, |
| 0:21.6 | to comment on what is now presented as a 28-point plan being amended by many of the hands |
| 0:28.9 | that are our allies of the United States and Europe, NATO, but other voices as well from around |
| 0:34.9 | the world, including Japan and Asian powers allied with the U.S. |
| 0:39.5 | The 28-point plan. |
| 0:41.7 | Bill and I have been discussing a Gideon-Rachman column in the Financial Times within these last |
| 0:48.3 | hours, offering three scenarios starting with the 28-point plan. |
| 0:53.1 | The first scenario is that Ukraine rejects the plan, |
| 0:56.6 | and President Trump follows through on what Gideon Rockman says is an implied threat to cut off |
| 1:03.6 | aid to the country, meaning Ukraine loses. The second possibility, Gideon Rockman writing, |
| 1:10.1 | from Europe, he's the chief foreign correspondent for the Financial Times. |
| 1:14.7 | That's the most sober-minded and conservative paper in Europe in English. |
| 1:20.4 | Second proposal is work that was done between Whitkoff and Demetriyev. |
| 1:26.2 | Now is in the hands of the foreign ministers |
| 1:29.5 | and Secretary of State of the United States, Mr. Rubio, for emergency meetings, and is being |
| 1:35.0 | reshaped, we're told significantly, and Ukraine is playing part of that reshaping. And that |
| 1:41.2 | means that the 28-point plan will turn into something more clear-cut as an advantage to both sides. |
| 1:49.4 | The third scenario is that Ukraine crosses its arms and turns away and rejects everything, and the war continues. |
| 1:56.2 | Of those three scenarios, Bill, which do you find acceptable and which do you imagine is where we're |
| 2:03.3 | headed? Good evening to you, Bill. Good evening, John. Well, look, let me start by saying |
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