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S8 Ep122: Geopolitics of the Gulf and Eurasia: US-Saudi Relations and China's Global Strategy — Victoria Coates, Vice President, Heritage Foundation — Victoria Coates addresses U.S.-Saudi relations, noting that technology transfer risks from China exist but remain

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🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Geopolitics of the Gulf and Eurasia: US-Saudi Relations and China's Global StrategyVictoria Coates, Vice President, Heritage FoundationVictoria Coates addresses U.S.-Saudi relations, noting that technology transfer risks from China exist but remain manageable through export-controlled F-35 versions. She argues that Russia is dependent on Beijing in the Ukraine war, which serves China's strategic objective of distracting the West from Indo-Pacific developments. A perceived Russian victory would embolden China toward aggression in East Asia. Coates identifies security guarantees and Saudi openness to the Abraham Accords as key priorities for regional stability. 
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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batsler. Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and

0:10.0

co-host and friend, and we're very privileged to welcome Victoria Coates, the Vice President of the

0:15.5

Heritage Foundation, and a guide for us on what can go wrong and why in Eurasia.

0:22.5

Victoria, since last we spoke, the Trump administration has talked about offering F-35s to Saudi Arabia.

0:30.8

I believe it came up in the most recent visit of the Crown Prince.

0:34.1

The puzzle here is China.

0:36.8

China has made inroads in the Gulf. All the major actors in the

0:40.5

Gulf these last years have traveled to Beijing ceremonially. And F-35 technology is the highest end

0:47.7

and securest end in the Pentagon. There is a headline suggesting that China will steal anything we give to Saudi Arabia,

0:57.1

no matter what the protections are in the Gulf.

1:00.6

Do you share that opinion?

1:02.0

Good evening to you, Victoria.

1:03.7

Well, good evening, John.

1:04.9

Good evening, Gordon.

1:06.2

I think it is certainly a concern, but bear in mind, we have developed export versions of the F-35

1:13.1

for other countries, including Turkey.

1:16.6

And we did wind up canceling the F-35 contract with Turkey when they deployed Russian S-400s in that country

1:24.3

because those two things couldn't mix.

1:26.0

We don't have that problem with the Saudis,

1:28.6

which have largely been armed by the United States historically. So those are mostly our

1:35.2

systems or allied systems that are in Saudi. And through the export version of the F-35,

1:41.1

we can protect, particularly that stealth technology that is, as you say, so sensitive.

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