S8 Ep122: Geopolitics of the Gulf and Eurasia: US-Saudi Relations and China's Global Strategy — Victoria Coates, Vice President, Heritage Foundation — Victoria Coates addresses U.S.-Saudi relations, noting that technology transfer risks from China exist but remain
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 11 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batsler. Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and |
| 0:10.0 | co-host and friend, and we're very privileged to welcome Victoria Coates, the Vice President of the |
| 0:15.5 | Heritage Foundation, and a guide for us on what can go wrong and why in Eurasia. |
| 0:22.5 | Victoria, since last we spoke, the Trump administration has talked about offering F-35s to Saudi Arabia. |
| 0:30.8 | I believe it came up in the most recent visit of the Crown Prince. |
| 0:34.1 | The puzzle here is China. |
| 0:36.8 | China has made inroads in the Gulf. All the major actors in the |
| 0:40.5 | Gulf these last years have traveled to Beijing ceremonially. And F-35 technology is the highest end |
| 0:47.7 | and securest end in the Pentagon. There is a headline suggesting that China will steal anything we give to Saudi Arabia, |
| 0:57.1 | no matter what the protections are in the Gulf. |
| 1:00.6 | Do you share that opinion? |
| 1:02.0 | Good evening to you, Victoria. |
| 1:03.7 | Well, good evening, John. |
| 1:04.9 | Good evening, Gordon. |
| 1:06.2 | I think it is certainly a concern, but bear in mind, we have developed export versions of the F-35 |
| 1:13.1 | for other countries, including Turkey. |
| 1:16.6 | And we did wind up canceling the F-35 contract with Turkey when they deployed Russian S-400s in that country |
| 1:24.3 | because those two things couldn't mix. |
| 1:26.0 | We don't have that problem with the Saudis, |
| 1:28.6 | which have largely been armed by the United States historically. So those are mostly our |
| 1:35.2 | systems or allied systems that are in Saudi. And through the export version of the F-35, |
| 1:41.1 | we can protect, particularly that stealth technology that is, as you say, so sensitive. |
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