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S8 Ep120: HEADLINE: GAIUS & GERMANICUS IN LONDINIUM 91 AD: Discussing the Pragmatic 28-Point Plan for Ukraine. Broadcasting live from Londinium, where the Thames is too rough for boatmen due to the grim weather, Gaius and Germanicus analyze the 28-point plan aimed

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🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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HEADLINE: GAIUS & GERMANICUS IN LONDINIUM 91 AD: Discussing the Pragmatic 28-Point Plan for Ukraine. Broadcasting live from Londinium, where the Thames is too rough for boatmen due to the grim weather, Gaius and Germanicus analyze the 28-point plan aimed at ending the Ukrainian disruption. This plan, a multiple of Wilson's 14 points, is driven by an emperor in Washington, and the Kremlin is currently prevailing. The core provision involves the ceding of territory, specifically Donbas, to Russia, followed by Russian-won elections. Unlike the disastrous Versailles Treaty that led to future conflict, the 28 points are deemed pragmatic, solving the issue of ardent Russian nationalists within Ukraine's borders. The plan also prevents Ukraine from joining NATO and offers Russia reintegration into the world order, potentially rejoining the G8. The speakers agree the solution is positive, allowing Ukraine to survive as a sovereign nation while losing only territories that did not want to be a part of it.
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0:00.0

This is live from Lunditian. I'm Gaius. Germanicus is here. We're observing the Thames. It's unusually grim tonight. The winds up. And the boatmen who cross the Thames routinely are sitting on their hands tonight. It's too rough out

0:23.2

there. You'd have to really be running from someone with a bigger sword than you've got to risk

0:30.3

attempts tonight. So we're a little chilly here. We've asked the Centurians to turn the fire up,

0:36.5

and we have a lot to do.

0:38.6

We're not going to be able to accomplish it all tonight.

0:40.8

It's 28 points.

0:42.9

You know, we have our limits.

0:44.8

However, we're going to do what we can with 28-point plan to end the Ukrainian disruption.

0:54.8

The Kremlin is prevailing.

0:58.1

The Keefe is disappearing.

1:00.8

The emperor in Washington has given his ruling.

1:06.8

It must happen.

1:08.8

Europe, our allies, are going along saying, well, just here, adjust there, we'll go along with it.

1:15.5

But there's more than just success.

1:18.6

There's the deep irony of how things are done in the 20th century and now the 21st.

1:25.1

Germanicus, 28 points.

1:27.2

Let me see, that's 2 times 14, 28 points. Let me see.

1:27.6

That's two times 14, I believe.

1:29.7

My math isn't what it could be.

1:33.1

Well, Woodrow Wilson said a precedent that all peace plans have to be multiples of seven.

1:41.6

So here we are with,

1:43.1

it's twice as long as Wilson's 14 points.

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