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S8 Ep114: This segment addresses Vladimir Lenin's adoption of Marx's ideas, particularly the aspect of Marxism requiring political violence. Lenin's major innovation, often called "vanguardism," involved a top-down party of professional revolutionaries leading the

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 23 November 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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This segment addresses Vladimir Lenin's adoption of Marx's ideas, particularly the aspect of Marxism requiring political violence. Lenin's major innovation, often called "vanguardism," involved a top-down party of professional revolutionaries leading the workers. Inspired by Marx's reaction to the Franco-Prussian War, Lenin developed "revolutionary defeatism," which held that imperial wars between capitalist powers would create opportunities for revolution in the losing nation. This civil war would beget a "state of perennial global civil war" between the new proletarian dictatorship and non-communist countries, which Lenin explicitly advocated for as an ideal scenario, standing in tension with Marx's "emiseration thesis."

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0:00.0

This is CBS, I on the World.

0:04.0

I'm John Batchel, visiting with Professor Sean McMeekin.

0:07.0

The new book is to overthrow the world,

0:09.0

The Rise and Fall and Rise of Communism.

0:12.0

We spent our time in the 19th century with Karl Marx and his antecedents.

0:16.0

Now the man himself,

0:18.0

Vladimir Iliich Ulyanov, the son of school teachers, principals, a man who has a very

0:28.2

colorful 54 years, I believe. Born in 1870, died in 1924 after a series of strokes. How did he come to be a Marxist? What is it that compelled

0:40.3

him? Probably the family story, but also a communist manifesto and Dust Capital were published

0:47.3

in Russian and were very large successes, especially Dust Capital. The manifesto I have, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin,

0:57.8

he calls himself Lenin. His name is Uyanov, but he takes up the Norm de Guerr during his publishing

1:02.6

of something called the Iskra, the Spark. He reads it for the first time and adopts it in 89.

1:09.4

What about the manifesto that appealed to him? Was it the leveling? Was it the

1:13.4

transformation of all that is into something new? Did he have some magical connection to it,

1:20.1

Professor? Well, I think Lenin was certainly inspired by the overall vision, the radicalism of it,

1:26.1

but particularly, I think the aspect of it, but particularly, I think, the aspect of it,

1:28.2

which did require political violence, something that Lenin was always quite adamant about advocating

1:33.6

himself. To the extent Lenin updated Marx's ideas, and one can see that as early as Shodielit

1:39.4

or what is to be done, published in 1902, which was really a manual of revolutionary tactics, sometimes

1:45.8

called vanguardism, Lenin's idea that you had this top-down party that, because the workers

1:50.2

weren't really doing it themselves or figuring out the doctrine, you had to have these professional

1:54.2

revolutionaries, these intellectuals, these cadres who do it for them. Lenin's other, I think,

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