Here the whole world, stars water, air and field and forest as they were, reflected in a single mind.

Like cast-off clothes was left behind, in ashes, yet with hopes that she, reborn from holy poverty,

in Lenten lands hereafter May, resume them on her Easter day.

This is Pints of a Jack, season 5, episode 21.

Poet, Seeker, and the Woman Who Captivated C.S. Lewis.

After Hours with Abigail Santa Maria.

Good morning, everyone.

Pints with Jack is your weekly CS Lewis podcast, where David, Matt and Andrew break down and discuss the works of C.S. Lewis.

And this season, we've been talking about love, slowly and deliberately working our way through Lewis's book, The Four Loves.

And this month, we've been discussing

Eros, so it's appropriate that we speak about Lewis's wife. And in this after-hours episode,

we're going to be doing just that with Abigail Santa Maria. Abigail Santa Maria has earned an MFA

in non-fiction writing from Columbia University.

She has contributed to numerous publications.

And in 2016, she co-founded Biography by Design to help individuals' families and corporations

tell their stories in a variety of formats,

ranging from custom-crafted books to website narratives.

And she's here today because she's the author

of her much-praised biography

about Jack's wife, Joy, poet, Seeker, and the woman who captivated C.S. Lewis.

Abigail Santa Maria. Welcome to Pitesford Jack.

Thanks for having me.

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