It's healthier to eat Twinkies with your friends than to eat broccoli alone.

This is Pints with Jack, Season 5, Episode 18.

We need to hang out. After Hours with Billy Baker.

Good morning, everyone. Pints with Jack is your weekly CS Lewis podcast where three friends,

Andrew, David and Matt, break down and discuss the works of CS Lewis. This season, we've been reading

The Four Loves by CS Lewis. And this past month, we've been talking about the love of friendship,

which Jack calls Thilia. And so in this after-hours episode, we're going to be speaking to Billy Baker.

Billy Baker is a graduate of Boston Latin School, Tulane University and the Columbia Journalism

School, and is the recipient of the Deborah Howell Award for Writing Excellence from the

American Society of News Editors.

He's a writer for the Boston Globe magazine.

He's married to his wife, Laurie, and together they have two sons.

And he's here to talk to us about his book.

We need to hang out a memoir of Making Friends.

Pilly Baker, welcome to Pites for Jack.

Thank you for having me.

I first came across you and your book.

It was back in April of 2021. I had been listening to your interview with Brett McKay on The Art of

Manliness. And when our listeners told us that they wanted us to go through the full loves this season,

I immediately put your name down as a potential guest

to have you on the show once we'd finished Lewis's chapter on friendship, because I loved

everything that you said, and I went out and got the audiobook afterwards. And I really think that

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