S5 E16 Sacrifices, Sisters, Seen of God, and You. The dramatic stories of Abraham’s family (Genesis 18-23)
The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
4.8 • 540 Ratings
🗓️ 22 February 2026
⏱️ 92 minutes
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In this packed episode, Kerry and Robbie Taggart discuss the trials of Hagar and how she is seen by the Lord, and how that relations to our lives. Then Kerry and George Pierce discuss what archaeology teaches us about how life was different for Sarah, Hagar and Abraham than we typically think. Then Kerry and his roundtable friends explore the story of speaking of Sarah as Abraham’s sister, or of saying that Rebekah was Isaac’s. Then Josh Matson and Kerry delve into the amazing and powerful story of the command given to Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. They explore what this means for us in our lives.
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| 0:00.0 | There are so many cool elements of the podcast this week. |
| 0:12.9 | We're going to have a wonderful section where we talk about, |
| 0:16.8 | Hagar and Ishmael and Abraham and Sarah and the drama they went through. |
| 0:21.7 | We're going to have an archaeology section on what things were really like in the days of Abraham. |
| 0:27.4 | We're going to talk about a number of elements of this in Roundtable that will help us understand this whole situation better. |
| 0:35.1 | And you're going to get a lot out of the podcast this week. And then |
| 0:38.4 | the Patreon is where we go into depth on the history, geography, topography of what happens |
| 0:45.5 | with Abraham with lots and lots of footage. The more interesting stories in Genesis is the story |
| 0:51.3 | of Hagar and Ishmael. It's one that is important and yet there's some |
| 0:57.1 | difficult elements of it in what is a very difficult time and period for Abraham and for Sarah |
| 1:02.7 | and Hagar and for Isaac and Ishmael. These are really troubling trials that they go through. |
| 1:10.2 | So we discuss this together, my friend and colleague Robbie Taggart and I go through this, |
| 1:15.3 | and I hope you enjoy the discussion. |
| 1:17.5 | Well, welcome to another segment. |
| 1:19.1 | Today, we're going to talk a little bit about a story and a character that is captivating |
| 1:23.8 | in the Old Testament. |
| 1:24.9 | We're going to talk about Hagar, and we're going to do that with my friend and colleague, Dr. Robbie Taggart, who is in the same department I am, in the ancient |
| 1:33.5 | scripture department, been there for a few years now. So welcome. Thanks for being with us. |
| 1:37.5 | Thank you. Good to be here. And, Robbie, you especially focus on, well, you focus on everything. |
| 1:42.2 | And I've had students that have had you before they love you, |
| 1:45.1 | but you bring a lot of literary analysis to the text. Yeah, that's my training, that's my |
| 1:51.8 | interest. So I like looking at the way character is developed throughout the scriptures and what the |
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