Pints with Jack, season four, episode 85.

After Hours with Dr. Ray Baker.

Welcome, everyone. Pints with Jack is your weekly C.S. Lewis podcast, where Matt, Andrew and I

break down and we discuss the works of C.S. Lewis. The season thus far, we've snooped on

screwtap's correspondence, and we've eavesdropped

on his toast to the tempter's college. We then began Narnia Month, and we started by reading

and discussing the silver chair, and then after that we spoke to various authors about their love

of Narnia, as well as how Lewis's fiction can function as a form of pre-evangelism.

But today, we're wrapping up Narnia Month by going beyond Narnia,

by examining the theology and apologetics of C.S. Lewis with Dr. Ray Baker.

Dr. Baker is an American-Swedish theologian, born in Stockholm, Sweden. He has earned degrees

from Liberty University, the University

of Iceland, Abouacademi, University in Finland. And we've had Douglas Gresham, Lewis's stepson,

on the show, but we've never before had anyone who's biologically related to Lewis. That is until now,

because Dr. Baker is C.S. Lewis's eighth cousin six times removed,

which if you're a C.S. Lewis fan is very impressive. Dr. Ray is a self-confessed language nerd

and has read the entire New Testament in 13 different languages. And he's published at least six

books in Swedish and one in English. And he's the author of the book, which we'll be discussing today, Beyond Narnia, looking at the theology and apologetics of C.S. Lewis. Dr. Baker, welcome to Plyts with Jack.

Well, thank you, David. I'm happy to be here. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't born in Sweden. I was born in the United States, but I've lived here for close to 30 years.

Wonderful. I've actually never been.

I'm like most English people. I just don't go to Europe.

The first time I started visiting Europe really regularly was when I knew I was moving to the United States,

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