Pines for Jack, Season 4, Episode 73.

The Great Divorce with Risking Enchantment.

Hey everyone, it's David here.

One of my favorite podcasts is the Risking Enchantment podcast.

They talk about faith and literature, and and this is wonderful. Quite a few months

ago, they did an episode where they spoke about Till We Have Faces. And so I sent them an email

saying how much I enjoyed it. And we got to talking and they then invited me onto their show

to talk about Lewis's best book, The Great Divorce. And so what you're about to hear is that discussion. Enjoy.

Welcome to Risking Enchantment, a podcast about art, beauty, and the Catholic faith.

Hosted by Rachel Sherlock. Hello and welcome to Risking Enchantment for this week's episode.

You have Phoebe Watson as usual, but joining us this week is David Bates from the Pints with Jack podcast.

Thanks so much for coming on the show with us.

You're very welcome.

It's really nice when you get invited on a podcast that you listen to.

Yeah, it's always so strange.

I was just listening to you. We were

getting ready for this episode. So I was listening to your respective episodes on the book that we're

going to be discussing. So I've been listening to you all week and now I'm seeing you face to face

and it's a very different experience. Like, oh, I have to remember to actually reply when he says.

Yes, my question's no longer simply rhetorical.

I did want to give a shout out to Grace, who is my wife's co-host who put me on to your podcast in the

first place. Thanks, Grace, and she's reached out to us on social media before and she's just wonderful. But

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