Hello and welcome to Best Friend Therapy. I'm Elizabeth Day, author and

podcaster and for over 20 years I've been best friends with a therapist.

That's me. Hello, I'm Emma Reed-Tarell and I'm a psychotherapist. In my private

practice I talked to clients about the challenges they face in daily life and

we work together in a non-judgmental supportive space to increase their

sense of well-being. And as her BFF I get all the benefit of her expertise and

wisdom for free. Emma makes me feel better about life but also helps me to

understand why I act the way I do. Ah, thanks Liz. She's also one of the only

people allowed to call me Liz. We wanted to open the doors to our friendship and

throw a light on the therapy we all need in our everyday lives. Each week we

chat about what's on our minds to get deeper in our minds. Two best friends, one

therapist, no filter. That's Best Friend Therapy. Hello and welcome back to Best

Friend Therapy. We are talking about something today which is really important

to both of us and yet it's also something that's quite difficult to hook

on to what we actually mean. So if that sounds like your bag, join us.

40 minutes of us trying to work out what we want to say. Then yes exactly

please join us. No. So the serious intent behind this episode is to talk about

crone energy. Now crones get a bad rap because the dictionary definition can be

rather critical. So I looked it up in the Cambridge English Dictionary. You did

it because I can even hear you typing. I know because I suddenly realized it wasn't up on my screen.

Look at me multitasking. My own crone energy there. In the Cambridge

dictionary, a crone is somewhat dismissively described as number one, an unpleasant or ugly

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