I'm Jamie Bebe.

And I'm Jake Deptulla.

On today's episode of Stalk More, we're speaking with Patrick Brady, a criminologist

and university professor who studies stalking behavior and the impact it has on victims

and law enforcement.

Patrick is here to discuss some cases he's worked on, types of technology used by stalkers,

human stalking behaviors and how the justice system responds to stalking.

Along with his research, he has conducted interviews with officers, prosecutors, advocates

and survivors in order to fully understand the crime of stalking.

Patrick is here to shed light on why it's often difficult to prosecute a stalking case

and how we can work with law enforcement to hold stalkers accountable.

Patrick, thank you for joining us today.

Thank you for having me.

So were you always interested in studying two crimes from an early age?

Actually, yes. So my first kind of adventure into true crime was when I was in first grade

and there was a student in my class that was crying and I was like, my is she crying.

And the teacher was like, oh, her sister didn't come home last night.

So this was a super small town in Chalice, Idaho.

It had about a population of 1,000 people.

It doesn't even have like a stoplight or anything like that.

And so it was a huge event that happened. It got me kind of interested in this whole concept.

But really really kind of fueled my passion was unfortunately the kid Stephanie Crane has

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