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🗓️ 24 June 2021
⏱️ 34 minutes
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This episode recounts the story of the Arab Spring — a wave of pro-democracy protests that swept through the Middle East and a cause that Khashoggi enthusiastically embraced. But Saudi leaders feared the protests and backed a military coup that overthrew a democratically elected (but Muslim Brotherhood dominated) government in Egypt, creating the first rift between Khashoggi and the leaders of his own country.
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0:00.0 | For any Western journalist or human rights monitor or U.S. diplomat traveling the Saudi |
0:09.1 | Arabia over several decades, it was pretty much day-regor. |
0:12.9 | If you wanted to really understand what was going on inside the kingdom, you got in touch |
0:17.8 | with Jamal Khashoggi. |
0:20.2 | When I started covering Saudi Arabia, one of the first things that you did is a journalist |
0:23.6 | as you get Jamal Khashoggi's phone number. |
0:26.2 | Ben Hubbard is a Middle East correspondent for The New York Times and the author of |
0:29.6 | the book, MBS, about the Crown Prince. |
0:33.0 | Because you know, the kingdom would announce something that they were doing or some decision |
0:36.4 | that the king had made and you sort of trying to figure out what it means and you would |
0:40.0 | call up Jamal and Jamal would answer his phone and he would say, oh, here's what I think. |
0:44.4 | Khashoggi had come a long way from his days huddling with those psalm up in Latin and the |
0:48.4 | caves of Afghanistan. |
0:50.4 | He had moved up the ranks of Saudi journalism, becoming the editor of one of the country's |
0:54.0 | major newspapers, Al-Watan. |
0:57.2 | Most importantly, he was that rare insider known for his connections to the royal family |
1:02.3 | and he was also readily accessible, pretty much to anybody. |
1:06.1 | You know, you can go back to diplomats, journalists, researchers, almost anybody who worked |
1:12.0 | in Saudi Arabia for probably a period of about 20 years, everybody knew Jamal, you know. |
1:17.1 | The guy was everywhere and everybody has his phone number and he used to talk to everybody |
1:19.9 | but he was seen as speaking for the royal family or speaking for the government most |
1:23.5 | of the time. |
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