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In making a case against Dennis Perry for the murders of Harold and Thelma Swain,

the state argued some of the best evidence against him came not from the witnesses who testified at his trial, but from Dennis Perry's own statements to investigators.

Dennis Perry was interviewed on three different occasions, once in 1988, once in 1999, and once in

2000. That second interview in 99 was secretly recorded, but in that interview, Dennis did not

say anything of interest to investigators.

It was only in the two unrecorded interviews that the state claims Dennis Perry said things that made it seem like he was guilty.

In that first interview from 98, the state says that Dennis Perry told Deputy Dale Bundy things about the murders that shows he knew more about the murders than he ought have known. In that third interview, after his arrest for the murders, the state says that

Dennis Perry said things that were almost a confession. So the question is, did the state just

get unlucky here and somehow never recorded Dennis Perry when he made statements they were

incriminating? Or was the state able to made statements that were incriminating?

Or was the state able to make those statements seem incriminating because they weren't recorded? No. Hi and welcome to Undisclosed. This is episode five of the state versus Dennis Perry. My name is Robi H. Jadri. I'm an attorney and author of Adnan Story, and I'm here with my colleagues, Susan Simpson and Colin Miller.

Hi, this is Susan Simpson. I'm an attorney in Washington, D.C., and I blog at The View from L.L.2.

Hi, this is Colin Miller. I'm an associate dean and professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law, and I blog at evidence prof blog. After breaking his back in 1984, Dennis Perry had moved in with his mom up in Jonesboro,

near Atlanta, but he hadn't ended up staying there for too long.

A few years later, he left Georgia and ended up back in the city where he had been born,

Jacksonville, Florida, about 20 minutes south of Camden County over the Florida-Georgia border.

And it was there, in about 1990, one of Dennis's friends introduced him to Karen.

We just started hanging out. He asked me out on a date.

We started going out on dates and dated for about a year or two. Then he asked me to marry him.

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