Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow and I'm Derek Lvassar.

Today we are diving into part five of the doomsday called Lori Vallow, Chad Debel, the Church

of the first born, whatever they're going by this week. There is no label for this. It's

such a cluster that there is no label. But we are starting part five of whatever it is.

And it's a very active episode, an active episode. I'm super interested. I couldn't wait

to record tonight because little inside, I've been saying all along that I feel like maybe

Chad could be more of like the puppeteer and this whole thing. And Stephanie has been

steadfast through these first four parts. That's like, no, Lori, Lori, and today, because we

talk 17 times a day, Stephanie was in the middle of doing some research and she will sometimes

speak out loud as she's doing her research. So we're talking. She's like, hmm, Chad might

be more involved than I originally thought. And I was like, wait, what was that? And you're

like, let me just finish doing this. I'm like, hmm, okay.

Yes. Yes. But I have a theory about this. So, Moria talked about it. But yeah, dude, it's

freaking crazy. Like this was, this was a very unfortunate situation where two people that

never should have met, met. It's like that song. What is like an I'm an I'm song. This is what

happens when a tornado meets a volcano. Yeah. This is what happens when a tornado meets a volcano.

Absolutely chaos and destruction. These two people should never have have crossed paths. I

still think that Lori was manipulative. But I know that I know for a fact that Chad was too.

Now that I'm seeing things because all this stuff came out during the trial, like texts and

stuff that we never really saw or heard. And it's just kind of really letting things fall into

place for me a little bit more where it's like, neither one of these people had like good

intentions. What's the same birds of birds of a flock together? So I think I think Lori was

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