In Hannibal Lecter, Thomas Harris revealed the face of true evil. Now in Cari Mora, he shows us the strength of absolute courage. From the legendary author of The Silence of the Lambs comes the new novel, Cari Mora. Out now in hardback, e-book and audiobook, narrated by Thomas Harris.

I'm Molly Wansall.

And I'm Geoffrey Wansel.

And for the last 16 years or thereabouts,

we've been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder.

And that's what's prompted us to launch this

true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone.

Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast.

I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Hello everyone.

Happy New Year.

Hope you've had a wonderful break.

And don't mind diving back into this rather dark pool. Happy New Year. Hope you've had a wonderful break.

And don't mind diving back into this rather dark pool that Molly and I talk about most Saturdays at lunch.

Yeah, it's true.

And this is our first podcast we're recording in 2019 because the last one, which was the first of the year we recorded before,

because you were away.

I was away in Tunisia. Did you have a good time?

Very good.

It was a very beautiful weather in the Sahara, very sunny, but, of course, very cold.

The one thing about Tunisians that were a lot of Tunisians on holiday is they all wear their overcoats all the time. Everything is going to the desert means you're going to be steaming hot. In fact, you need your overcoat. It's really cold in the desert even in the summertime. It can be. In the nighttime. Especially at night. But it can get really chilly. And it's a struggle. I don't think you'd probably want to camp out at night

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