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Season 24 survivors discuss violence that they endured as children, which may be triggering for some

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I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is something was wrong.

Music was wrong. My name is Dr. Stephanie Hartzell. I am a physician and a psychiatrist and board certified in both pediatric and adult psychiatry.

I teach at Brown University, the medical students, about anything from psychotherapy to

neuroscience and cognitive circuits.

I also am a spokesperson for the American Academy of Child and Lesson Psychiatry in the media

speaking on a variety of topics.

I was born and raised in Northern California and moved up to Oregon for college

and always wanted to be a doctor but thought I was too bad at science. When I got up to Oregon,

I became an EMT, and realized that I really wanted to be a physician. In Oregon, I lived out in

the rural section of central and then eastern Oregon, which happened to be one of the locations of many of the wilderness programs we're going to be speaking about today.

When I lived in Bend, Oregon, and I was in MT in the late 90s, early 2000s, there were numerous programs out there in Eastern Oregon.

And I would see people coming in emaciated.

I would see them with severe injuries, bobcat bites, all kinds of things, these kids coming out who've been kidnapped out of their beds in the middle of the night and taken into these programs.

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