Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of theology in the Ram. My guest today is Dr. Munther Isaac, who is a Palestinian Christian pastor and theologian. He pastures the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem and the Lutheran Church in Bates

Sahore. He's also the academic dean of Bethlehem Bible College and the and the

director of the highly acclaimed and influential Christ at the checkpoint conferences.

He has a master's degree in biblical studies. influential Christ at the checkpoint conferences.

He has a master's degree in biblical studies

from Westminster Theological Seminary

in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,

and a PhD from the Oxford Center

for Mission Studies in Oxford, England. He's the author of several books

including The Other Side of the Wall, from Land to Lands, from Eden to the Renewed

Earth, an introduction of Palestinian theology, a commentary on the book of Daniel, and has more recently

published a book on women ordination in the church. The last three books are written in Arabic.

This conversation is a sobering one. Yeah, just keep in mind that I recorded

this episode, this conversation with Munther about a week before Christmas. So if something has happened between this recording and the time you are

listening to it and it goes on mention in this conversation, then that's why. We talk a lot

about the war in Gaza.

We talk about how it's affected Palestinian Christians,

how Palestinian Christians have both been encouraged in some ways,

but also discouraged by how Christians their brothers and sisters in Christ in the West have responded to the war.

We talk a lot about how many thousands of children have been killed and how that has affected

the kingdom of God that resides in Israel, Palestine.

We talked about the millions of people who have been displaced.

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