Hello friends, welcome back to another episode of theology and the Ramay guest is the one and only David Kinneman

Who's the author of several books including Faith for exiles good faith you lost me and unchristian

He's also the CEO of barna group a leading research and communications company that works with churches nonprofits and

businesses and I love talking to David because he has such a

Good global look at various trends that live at the intersection of the church and cultures

So please welcome back to the show the one and only David Kinneman

You

It's been a minute David since you've been on the podcast at at least a few years I think

I think it has yeah

Yeah, good to see you though

You two man, I wish we were hanging out in person shooting birds or something

Will you be shooting birds and I just be aiming at them and missing

That was the funnest that was one of the funnest weeks of my life. It's when we went on this this

Well, there's some kind of invite only

Weeklong hunting trip we had we had known each other right but not we never spent that much time together and like

I just want to get around to the gunnier shoulder like

I don't know how many times you shot it maybe once or something. I look natural, but I wasn't very very good

You're I think I only I think I only pulled the trigger one time like dang that was loud. I hurt

I'm not gonna do it again

We had worked on the nav project before and worked a bit on some research. Oh, yeah

We had met and you know interactive, but this was a that was a fun fun trip and I remember coming back

Uh, having shot no birds and caught no fish, but really trying very earnestly

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