What do you laugh at, Chris?

We even, okay, so we spent the last couple of minutes offline saying, hey, what should we talk about and you kept shooting down on my ideas, you know, I'm really good ideas.

So I'm going to go for, I think this is going to work. I'm going to lead with something because this is something that I actually really enjoyed.

There was a question sent in from one of my Patreon supporters. I do a Q&A podcast every month. And one of the questions was pressing if you could like create your own, like,

if you could imagine the most perfect church, what would that look like? And my first response, of course, is there is no perfect church, you know, we know that we can't talk like that. But, um,

but like, what were some of the big picture values, rhythms, things that this church, if I can just create it on paper, these are some things I think it would be about.

These are some things we probably wouldn't do. I talked about like being both ethnic, strong sense and belonging.

High view of Christ in everything that it does, bottom to top, obviously, the leadership would be both humble and very thoughtful.

Like you would, whatever the church did, everybody that's part of that church would be like, man, they, I don't know if I agree with this.

I'm not really sure about that, but man, they put a lot of thought into this. They've really thought through this.

That would be a big value. There was lots of things like that. But, um, I don't want to give too many more that I say, because I want to ask you, like, what if you could imagine the most perfect church, when I say perfect, obviously there's.

In perfect people there, so it's going to be imperfect, but if you can imagine a kind of church or like, man, this church seems incredibly meaningful, intentional, and I love belonging to this church, what.

Or some big picture things that that would look like, or even small, I mean, it doesn't need to be an order like, you know, this is the most important second, but just kind of what comes to your mind.

Um, well, I mean, I think I agree with everything you just said, definitely more meaningful and thoughtful.

Like, what, yeah, so what does that, what do you mean by thoughtful? Are you talking like Sunday morning service or just relationships or kids programs or.

Well, I mean, I feel like for like youth and maybe middle school and high school, like, I don't think we need more fun.

Like, I feel like they can go find fun, kind of places that are going to be a lot more funner than what we're creating, right?

Like, I think we folks sometimes search is focused too much on just bring them in whatever it takes.

Give them like pizza and give them all kinds of stuff so that they're going to want to come back and I.

I feel like what I said to you the other day is just that I feel like our kids just don't stand a chance to like, leave at 18.

With a like hunger to want to follow Christ with seeing a picture of God's kingdom that is bigger than just themselves.

And what their world is and want to be part of that family like we just don't give them anything that would make them feel that way.

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