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Hello and welcome to How to Fail with Elizabeth Day. The podcast that celebrates the things

that haven't gone right. This is a podcast about learning from our mistakes and understanding

that why we fail ultimately makes us stronger, because learning how to fail in life actually

means learning how to succeed better. I'm your host, author and journalist Elizabeth

Day, and every week I'll be asking a new interviewee what they've learned from failure.

The protagonist of the new young adult novel, Rosie Frost and the Fork and Queen, is a

girl with red hair who gets sent to a fantastical boarding school after her mother dies. One of

the school's rules is to have courage to make the choice you fear the most. The author

of the book just so happens to be a woman who is also famed for her red hair and who also

lost a parent at a formative age. She is, too, someone who has made many courageous choices

through an extraordinary career. Born in what food to a mom who cleaned in a car dealer

dad, Jerry Hallowell Horner shot to global fame as Ginger Spice, one-fifth of the Spice

Girls and the best-selling female pop group of all time. She is known for girl power for

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