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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

S16, Ep7 How To Fail: Munroe Bergdorf on the beauty of transitions, breaking the rules and learning how forgive herself and others

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

Sony Music

Society & Culture

4.79.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2023

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

TW: rape, racism and transphobiaI have admired this woman from afar for many years and was so honoured when she agreed to sit down with me for How To Fail. Munroe Bergdorf is impossible to summarise: she is an activist, model, writer and broadcaster but those words can't accurately convey how much she has done to shape our culture.In her UTTERLY BRILLIANT new book, Transitional, Munroe draws on her own experience to reveal just how deeply ingrained transitioning is in human experience. It's a book that explores change and the fluidity of identity and relationships, sexuality and gender and it's so, so powerful.She joins me to talk about the long journey to live her truth and how she overcame a lack of self-worth to understand she was worthy of healthy relationships. We talk about how she navigated PTSD, panic attacks and anxiety and about her refusal to play by the rules.It is an extraordinary conversation, as befits an extraordinary person. But please do be aware that we cover some traumatic territory, including Munroe's violent rape at the hands of a stalker. I am so grateful to Munroe for her courage in talking about it. Such stories are urgently necessary to share in order to attack misplaced stigma and shame, and Munroe emerges from everything she talks about with strength, grace and integrity intact. This is not a story of being defined by trauma, but of overcoming it - and of continuing to fight for change.--Transitional by Munroe Bergdorf is published tomorrow and availabe to order here.--How To Fail With Elizabeth Day is hosted and produced by Elizabeth Day. To contact us, email howtofailpod@gmail.com--Social Media:Elizabeth Day @elizabdayHow To Fail @howtofailpodMunroe Bergdorf @munroebergdorf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Now it's time for a quick message to thank our partner of this episode, Penguin Audio.

0:06.8

I have the perfect audio book recommendation for you because as you know, I believe that

0:12.1

looking after yourself and focusing on your mental health is really important.

0:17.6

During on her years of experience as a clinical psychologist, Dr. Julie's bestselling audio

0:22.7

book, Why Has Nobody Told Me This Before, is full of expert advice and powerful coping

0:28.5

techniques that will help you stay resilient and prioritize your mental health no matter

0:34.0

what life throws your way.

0:36.5

Dr. Julie's audiobook is an incredible therapist toolkit which covers how to manage anxiety,

0:42.3

low mood, building self-confidence and learning how to forgive yourself.

0:46.8

It is packed full of lots of practical and accessible tips.

0:50.9

There is just so much you can learn from Dr. Julie's bestselling audiobook, Why Has Nobody

0:55.8

Told Me This Before and the best thing about listening to it, I love an audio book,

1:01.2

is that you can easily pick it up wherever you are.

1:04.6

Thank you so much to Penguin Audio and to Dr. Julie's bestselling audiobook, Why Has

1:09.7

Nobody Told Me This Before.

1:13.6

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1:17.4

Their recipes are bursting with delicious natural ingredients and proper meat.

1:22.0

They know how to make your dog's tail wag faster than a helicopter rotor and how to win

1:27.0

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1:28.3

As cat owners know, that's a very difficult thing to do.

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I happen to live with an extremely discerning ginger cat called Huxley.

1:37.4

It's like living with a restaurant critic sometimes because he gets bored of food very,

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