This is Jenny Allen and you are listening to the Made for This podcast.

Well, many of you have been blessed by this man's work. I read it many years ago and it was just

revolutionary at the time. Pete Skazero is with us today and wrote the book Emotionally Healthy

Spirituality and then has followed it with many books about Emotional

Health Emotionally Healthy Leadership lots of others.

And so what I want to talk to him about today is just what it looks like to grow in this

area of our emotional health and how it affects everything.

It affects every part of our life.

So Pete, thanks so much for being here.

I love your work.

It's such an honor to have you.

Thanks, Jen.

Great to be here.

Let's talk about when you realized that this was needed.

When you wrote emotionally healthy spirituality,

talk a little bit about when you came to this in your own life.

Yeah, so, you know, I was, you know, I've been a pastor now for almost, wow, 35, 40 years, but I had, you know, been on staff

with a power church organization for three years and then seminary then planted a a church

and then seminary then planted a church here in New York City.

And it was about year six or seven into this church plant

that it became very obvious that I was I was really stuck I was miserable I was exhausted my wife

was very unhappy we had four young daughters at the time and our church had we were growing planting other churches but we

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