This is Jenny Allen and you are listening to the Made for This podcast.

Well guys you are going to

love today's episode. She comes to me actually through though

I should know her books and many of you have probably heard of her. First one of my

good friends word of mouth often how we found out about things.

Lindsey Meyer was like, Jenny, you need to have Ande Cobur,

who is a therapist and also has written these two great books

on your podcast.

And so I checked her out and I couldn't believe I haven't had her on yet.

So y'all are going to love this.

We're going to talk about noticing.

This week we're talking about noticing our bodies, noticing our emotions. And she is a trauma therapist.

She is a Jesus lover.

She actually works with EMDR and body-centered healing. And so you're perfect for this

Andy we're so glad you're here and you live in Colorado and what a great place to be

from so let's talk about your book, So Strong Like Water

was the most recent one.

And I love your messages in your books,

which are basically both of them are kind of this idea

of don't try so hard. I'm a big fan. are kind of this idea of

of,

of, don't try so hard. I'm a big fan of that. Like this doesn't have to be so hard.

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